Paul Ryan

[jmschnur]

Game on.


J

 

[Gordon Gray]

Game over.

 

[Rich]

I wonder if ObamaCare pays for the injuries from an ass kicking

No worries. That "one term proposition" Obama promised about is pretty much the only promise he is going to keep.

Four more years!

 

[asindc]

Well, at least 50% of the electorate that bothered to speak does not like the idea of a President being concerned with only 53% of his/her fellow citizens. The 50% number really should be a lot higher, given the callousness of the 47% statement.

 

[Rich]

Honestly, I think this election was a referendum on, and rejection of, Romney/Ryan's politics (note I said politics, not policies). When you refuse to be transparent with the American people, when you refuse to be open about your financial dealings, when you try to straddle both sides of the fence, when you refuse to put forth a plan for what you intend to do, when you refuse to answer any specifics about your plans if elected, when you make baldfaced lies and refuse to acknowledge facts, when you can't explain your deviance from positions you have held in the past, and when you condemn half the nation as being welfare recipients looking for a government handout, you are just not going to get elected President. And most importantly in the modern US, when your primary appeal is to older white men, you are not going to be elected President. Same thing happened with Romney that happened with McCain. Both tried to pretend they were someone they were not, and the American people (or at least a slim majority of them), saw through the charade. Here's hoping the extremist republicans in the house can be muzzled and we can actually get something done for the Country. We cannot afford four more years of intransigence.

 

[timm]

I don't know how you can get anything out of this election other than this is a country greatly divided.... I do find it hard to believe given the differences between the candidates and their ideologies that millions voted - and the difference in the popular vote is miniscule.... I am not sure who won the popular vote -- does anyone know?

All of us are so sure of our views - yet million upon millions have disagreed with us...

RE: the 47% comment -- Again, Romney had his foot in his mouth half of this election - but gave quiet a valiant showing... What does THAT say? Anyway - His point was - If you think ideologically the way President Obama thinks (i.e. the 47%) - you are NEVER gonna vote for him. That was his point...not that he was neglecting them - but that they would never believe in what he believes and would never drink his kool-aid.

As you saw in my post above -- I was completely split in this election... I have people close to me that need health care and are 25 years old...At some point when I am older - I will need it.... I am better off today than I was 4 years ago... But, ideologically speaking have a difficult time with some policies (with both parties). Economically, I always think in terms of - 'If it were me - would I want to pay more in taxes because my wife and I made over the magic number (250K I guess)' .. My answer to that is emphatically 'No' -- I worked hard and my pay is based on my skills and what the market will bear. So why should I wish that on someone? I just don't feel good about that at all and it grinds against everything I believe in... The default answer to all of our problems now just seems to be 'We'll just raise taxes.'....

Yet, today - I am better off than I was 4 years ago....

 

[timm]

Since this is a political thread...:

So my brother sends me this since my last note:

'Ok, for my company, they will get fined $2000 for each employee that is not provided medical. Problem is, the current cost for benefits is $5 to $7 k per employee. The company MAKES $5k by accepting the penalty

So when we talk about medical benefits for our kids… guess what? They won’t be covered under a company policy anyway. Company policies will disappear. WE will have to pay extra to get the bennies for our kids. Nice.

Also, even if I retired today, They can pull my retirement medical out from under me anytime they want.

So that benefit of keeping our kids on our policies til 26 doesn’t really matter. It will come out of our pocket anyway. It will just cost us even more when they hit 27.'

Here is a link that confirms this 2000/employee figure.... and if you tell me companies are not going to do this - then I think you give the 'evil companies' more credit than they deserve... The above note from my brother really gives a good working example and why it wasn't used in the race is beyond me...

The second link is penalties on individuals...

Tell me why this is a good thing?

http://www.obamacarewatch.org/primer/employer-mandate
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-is-the-obamacare-penalty-tax-2012-7

 

[Gordon Gray]

Timm,

Latest popular vote numbers. BO by approximately 2% or 2 million votes +/-.

My thoughts about the division in this country. If we (the voters) keep supporting ideologues (and their inflexible ideologies), nothing will change and compromise (solving problems) will never be attained. Stay on this path and it will be a never ending cycle.

We are the problem because the politicians we support are merely a reflection of our views.

What we can do, as a country, is to embrace / support folks who maintain their principals but are willing to come to the center to resolve real issues.

I think the Tea Party exemplifies this conundrum.

GG

 

[repman]

Originally Posted by repman

I wonder if ObamaCare pays for the injuries from an ass kicking





Originally Posted by runnin17

No worries. That "one term proposition" Obama promised about is pretty much the only promise he is going to keep.
Four more years!


Rich




Reply Reply

Four more years!

Hey Rich if you are going to quote me at least get it right I was reffering to the first debate in that quote not the general election. I know you appreciate getting the facts straight!

Thanks, Larry

 

[timm]

Timm,

Latest popular vote numbers. BO by approximately 2% or 2 million votes +/-.

My thoughts about the division in this country. If we (the voters) keep supporting ideologues (and their inflexible ideologies), nothing will change and compromise (solving problems) will never be attained. Stay on this path and it will be a never ending cycle.

We are the problem because the politicians we support are merely a reflection of our views.

What we can do, as a country, is to embrace / support folks who maintain their principals but are willing to come to the center to resolve real issues.

I think the Tea Party exemplifies this conundrum.

GG

Hi Gordon --

No doubt -- we need someone in the middle.

 

[Rich]

Hey Rich if you are going to quote me at least get it right I was reffering to the first debate in that quote not the general election. I know you appreciate getting the facts straight!

Thanks, Larry

Larry, I know what you were referring to. I just thought your quote was particularly apropos in light of the results last night. I think Mitt is the one who ultimately got taken to the woodshed.

 

[twich54]

I think Mitt is the one who ultimately got taken to the woodshed.

Rich, lets hope the American people aren't next.

Obviously Wall Street wasn't thrilled about the outcome !

 

[Rich]

Rich, lets hope the American people aren't next.

Obviously Wall Street wasn't thrilled about the outcome !

Wall Street just wants the fiscal cliff issue taken care of asap. The sooner they get to work on that, the sooner we will be back to record highs on wall street.

 

[Len44]

Rich, lets hope the American people aren't next.

Obviously Wall Street wasn't thrilled about the outcome !

I think a lot depends on whether Mitch decides to ditch his obstructionist mindset and starts being a statesman (I'm hoping he has it in him).

I figure the Saturday Night Live skit this week will feature Mitch yapping about being "...determined to ensure Obama is a Two-Term President!"

 

[jmschnur]

Rich, lets hope the American people aren't next.

Obviously Wall Street wasn't thrilled about the outcome !

Clearly walls street has thrived with OB as president. Almost a factor of two increase since he came in office. Lots of other factors now . The cliff among them.


J

 

[Gordon Gray]

So here's some retrospect from select, high profile Republicans after the election. Please accept my paraphrasing. I think it's reasonably accurate.

Mr. Limbaugh mentioned that there were three legitimate, powerful leaders at the Rep. Convention. Ms. Rice, Mr. Auribio, and someone else I can't recall. He doesn't understand why people say that the Reps. don't reflect / include the majority of Americans.

Gov. Hailey Barber credits BO's victory to Sandy.

Ms. Palin cannot understand why Americans would vote for BO.

Mr. Trump called for a revolution saying the system is broken.

GG

PS: Mr. McCain was disappointed that Mr. Powell endorsed BO.
Mr. Christie was criticized for his gratitude for BO's help / support post Sandy.

 

[jmschnur]

Earlier in this thread I suggested that Nate Silvers 538 had the best read on predicting the election. It turns out he called all 50 states correctly . His blog now has some post election comments. Worth reading.


J

 

[Rich]

So here's some retrospect from select, high profile Republicans after the election. Please accept my paraphrasing. I think it's reasonably accurate.

Mr. Limbaugh mentioned that there were three legitimate, powerful leaders at the Rep. Convention. Ms. Rice, Mr. Auribio, and someone else I can't recall. He doesn't understand why people say that the Reps. don't reflect / include the majority of Americans.

Gov. Hailey Barber credits BO's victory to Sandy.

Ms. Palin cannot understand why Americans would vote for BO.

Mr. Trump called for a revolution saying the system is broken.

GG

PS: Mr. McCain was disappointed that Mr. Powell endorsed BO.
Mr. Christie was criticized for his gratitude for BO's help / support post Sandy.

And the best one of all: Mitt Romney was completely blindsided and shellshocked by his loss and had to scribble out a concession speech at the last minute after it finally became clear that Karl Rove had no more straws to grasp at. This man's hubris knows no bounds. To be so certain of victory that you wouldn't even consider writing a concession speech ahead of time. So glad he lost.

 

[Rich]

I figure the Saturday Night Live skit this week will feature Mitch yapping about being "...determined to ensure Obama is a Two-Term President!"

That is hilarious!! Len, you might have a career as a comedy writer.

 

[timm]

So here's some retrospect from select, high profile Republicans after the election. Please accept my paraphrasing. I think it's reasonably accurate.

Mr. Limbaugh mentioned that there were three legitimate, powerful leaders at the Rep. Convention. Ms. Rice, Mr. Auribio, and someone else I can't recall. He doesn't understand why people say that the Reps. don't reflect / include the majority of Americans.

Gov. Hailey Barber credits BO's victory to Sandy.

Ms. Palin cannot understand why Americans would vote for BO.

Mr. Trump called for a revolution saying the system is broken.

GG

PS: Mr. McCain was disappointed that Mr. Powell endorsed BO.
Mr. Christie was criticized for his gratitude for BO's help / support post Sandy.

Gordon -- and to me, this means that 56 million americans disagree with the current direction... Why would we expect anything less? I am trying to figure out why anyone thinks anything is going to change in Congress etc.... We had an election ... BO got 58 mill and MR got 56 mill at last count... If Congress is a representation of its constituents - sounds like more grid lock to me....

Re: the quotes:

Trump: He is the ultimate capitalist... What would you expect him to say - 'Socialism is a great thing!!'???

Palin: Does she understand anything? And why are we quoting her? She was a newscaster and a former Miss Alaska or something like that....

Limbaugh: He does this for a living...This is how he makes his house payment... Do we care?

Mccain: Of course he was disappointed - He is a friggin' republican that lost to BO....

Barber: Seriously, didn't BO win New England about 70/30? (I am exaggerating) hahaha...like it mattered....

Christie: I would guess that most republicans would have been ticked at that - praising the Democratic incumbent right before a national election ...But, who criticized...and how far right were they? Not that it mattered because Obama was winning the Blue states anyway....

BOTH sides are stubborn in their beliefs... BOTH are responsible for this.... Lets not pretend it is a 'republican' thing. It isn't. And that - I would say is a nice microcosm of the problem.... We have had plenty of people on this forum pointing the finger across the aisle - and they AREN'T in Congress... Imagine if its what you did for a living and the decision was going to teeter on one vote?...While trying to get your beliefs and your ideals pushed for the 'betterment of the country'....(is betterment a word?? )

When decisions are that close, the people that represent the extremes have a tendency to puff out their chests and blow a lot of hot air as a sign of strength and unity to make sure nobody strays from the flock...The only path is thru compromise...will it happen? The clock is ticking....

I want to see some quotes from Congress where they discuss compromise....However, Compromise can be painted as being someone that does not really stand up for their beliefs... And lets face it - these guys are worried about the 'next election'....