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Thanks for your thoughts Opie. Great post.

You are correct that absent the ability of Congress to work with the President (whoever that may be), there's not alot that can or will get done assuming things stay status quo.

GG
 
If it is a tea party president , senate, and house things might get done. But would you want to live in the aftermath of the consequences?


J
 
Romney apparently wants to supply the Syrian rebels with US arms. If elected, I can see him selecting John (I never met a war I didn't like) McCain as SecDef.

How about those consequences.

G
 
Perhaps Ryan will have the same etch a sketch make over that Romney had. Thank god for the true believers running on third party tickets.


J
 
In the debate last night, there was this exchange:

RADDATZ: I want to go back to the abortion question here. If the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected, should those who believe that abortion should remain legal be worried?

RYAN: We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision; that people through their elected representatives in reaching a consensus in society through the democratic process should make this determination.
I thought Ryan was a strict Constitutionalist? Founding father's intent and all that? The Constitution specifies that the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of what is and is not Constitutional, yet here Ryan says they shouldn't be allowed to do that in the case of abortion. That it should be up to Congress to decide. Perhaps he thinks we should also leave freedom of speech, the issue of slavery, and right to bear arms up to Congress as well, with no judicial oversight? That Congress should have no oversight whatsoever by the third branch of government. That is basically the line of thought he is projecting here. Very scary stuff, if you are paying attention to what he is saying and what those words actually mean in real life applications. Whether you are for or against abortion or any other Constitutional issue, what Ryan implied in his statement should scare the hell out of you. Especially considering that Congress changes hands every few years and "your side" won't always be in charge.
 
Anytime religion and morals get thrown into politics it is a huge red flag. A bunch of salesmen stretching truths to fit their agenda with a little religion and morals thrown in to try to pull more votes from conservative religious right. Pretty transparent if u ask me.
 
The Constitution specifies that the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of what is and is not Constitutional.

Perhaps he thinks we should also leave freedom of speech, the issue of slavery, and right to bear arms up to Congress as well, with no judicial oversight?

That Congress should have no oversight whatsoever by the third branch of government.

That is basically the line of thought he is projecting here. Very scary stuff, if you are paying attention to what he is saying and what those words actually mean in real life applications. Whether you are for or against abortion or any other Constitutional issue, what Ryan implied in his statement should scare the hell out of you. Especially considering that Congress changes hands every few years and "your side" won't always be in charge.

"The Constitution specifies that the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of what is and is not Constitutional". This is not explicitly spelled out in the constitution. The Supreme court set precident for "Judicial Review" with Marbury v Madison (1803). Of course "Judicial Review" has been gospell since the 1803 decision and it probably should have been included in Article III originally.

I agree with the current roll of the courts but history has shown the court can be out of step and sometimes just wrong. You mention freedom of speech but look at the Alien and Sedition acts of 1798 and even worse the Sedition act of 1918 with more than 1000 cases prosecuted against persons that spoke out against war. Where was the Supreme Court. For slavery and civil rights the Supremes gave us Dred Scott v Sandford (1857) and Plessy v Ferguson (1896). More recently on gun control the Court reaffirmed our second amendment rights with District of Columbia v Heller (2008) and its extension McDonald v Chicago (2009). Additionally Gore v Bush (2000) left me scratching my head and Kelo v City of New London (2005) expanding eminent domain left me shaking my head. I guess what I'm saying is that the Supreme Court is a necessary mixed bag.

Now, I did not hear Ryan say he wanted the Supreme court to be powerless. He expressed a disagreement with their decisions with regards to abortion and his belief that it should be a legislative decision with the backing of the electorate. That means you either craft a bill that will withstand judicial scrutiny or you move on to article V and try to amend the constitution. Personally I think neither of these changes is very likely and certainly not achievable from a near powerless vice president's position (ie not scary).

Scary is a nuclear armed Iran. Biden claims our intelegence agencies can not figure out what happened to our Benghazi consulate but they will know precisely when Iran will have a "bomb". Really?
Now that is SCARY.

Regards,
Gary
 
"The Constitution specifies that the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of what is and is not Constitutional". This is not explicitly spelled out in the constitution.

Actually, I would argue that clearly it is:

"The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, . . . . The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States . . .

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land"

The language makes quite clear that the Constitution and the laws of Congress are the ultimate law of the land, and the Supreme Court is the ultimate judicial arbiter of all cases arising under the Constitution and the laws of the US. I'm not sure how they could have been any more explicit. Marbury v. Madison just made it official. At any rate, that has been the accepted law of the land for over 200 years now, so Ryan saying he thinks it shouldn't be that way and that Congress should be able to decide this type of issue is extremely troubling. Because it either means he doesn't really have any understanding of Constitutional Law, or he is a subversive who wants to upend our system of government. Either way, he is certainly not the strict Constitutionalist he pretends to be.

As to whether the Courts have been out of step or have made decisions which many would disagree with . . . well, of course they have. No system is perfect. And the prevailing thoughts and morals of one time don't necessarily apply in a different time. Do you honestly think having Congress decide Constitutional issues would be a better way to go? That would be a disaster!

Now, I did not hear Ryan say he wanted the Supreme court to be powerless.

Really? I heard him say: "We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision" referring to a decision on an issue of Constitutionality of Laws. If you take away the Supreme Court's role of determining Constitutionality of Laws, you do render them completely powerless to the whims of Congress. I think you are intentionally playing down the significance of his remarks.

He expressed a disagreement with their decisions with regards to abortion and his belief that it should be a legislative decision with the backing of the electorate. That means you either craft a bill that will withstand judicial scrutiny . . .

No, that isn't what he said. He said that there should be no judicial scrutiny for this type of issue. That it should be solely up to Congress, or as he quaintly put it, "that people through their elected representatives in reaching a consensus in society through the democratic process should make this determination." Calling it a choice by the people through the democratic process sounds pretty but doesn't change the fact that he is saying the Supreme Court should be denied judicial review of this issue and it should be solely decided by Congress. What part of "We don't think that unelected judges should make this decision" did you not understand? Seems pretty clear to me that he is calling for the Court to have no judicial review of this issue.

or you move on to article V and try to amend the constitution. Personally I think neither of these changes is very likely and certainly not achievable from a near powerless vice president's position (ie not scary).

I am not scared by the fact that he may not be able to accomplish this from the Vice President's position. I am scared that a man who thinks like this would be a heartbeat away from the President's position. We already had a cowboy who ignored the Constitution in that office, and it didn't go so well for our nation.

Scary is a nuclear armed Iran.

Really? Doesn't scare me too much. I suppose you were deathly scared of Saddam Hussein's "Weapons of Mass Destruction" too? Oh, until we invaded them and found out they really didn't have any. Oops. We have had similar scares in the past about this or that rogue country getting Nukes. In the fifties it was Russia and China. That didn't turn out near as bad as the doomsday predictions, did it? I am not saying that we should ignore Iran completely, but I think we can let Israel do some of the heavy lifting there as they are the ones most threatened by them. And their intelligence services can probably run rings around ours anyway.

Regarding Iran, I would love to hear some conservatives admit that part of the reason Iran is ascending in power in the region and is therefore a bigger thorn in our side, is because the Bush administration foolishly and recklessly went to war in Iraq, thereby taking down one of the chief barriers to Iran's ascendancy in the region and totally throwing off the entire balance of power in the region. Had we not engaged in that stupid, costly war, we would probably not even be discussing Iran and nuclear weapons right now. This is exactly why leadership matters, and trying to rule the world like a bull in a china shop simply doesn't work.
 
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With regards to Bengazi. I agree the handling of the PR by the administration was atrocious, but remember there may well be highly sensitive issues involved that may explain a lot if known. Perhaps 20 years from now clarity will prevail.


J
 
Regarding a nuclear Iran and the presidential administration of our intelligence agencies, I just wanted to add that we shouldn't so soon forget that it was also under the watch of the Bush administration that Pakistan sold nuclear secrets to both Iran and North Korea. This was done during the same time frame that Bush was giving billions of dollars in aid to the Pakistani's to help solidify their status as our "ally." I hear lots of people complaining about the way Obama is handling the current issues in Libya and Iran, but little about how a most of the mess in that part of the world is directly attributable to failures and poor policies of the Bush administration. Yes, Bush is long gone. But his legacy lives on. And from everything Romney and Ryan have said, they don't appear to have any different outlook on how to handle things than Bush did. That is the last thing our country needs right now.
 
Lol, another lame blame Bush excuse. I guess it just never gets old.
You ignore history and you are bound to repeat it. It took ten years to recover economically from the Great Depression. Did you really expect Obama to bring our economy back from the brink of destruction of Bush's Great Recession in three? As for the middle east, it is clear that Bush's policies made a mess that won't be cleaned up anytime soon. Going to war with Iran, as Romney/Ryan seem to want to do, won't help matters in the least. Not that we could even afford such a war.
 
You are entitled to your opinion, but I have yet to read or hear anything that says Romney/Ryan wants to go to war with Iran. In fact, Ryan specifically said that is the very last thing they want. You can go ahead believing what you want though.
 
Probably he just wants to talk a big game that is to speak strongly etc and carry a new submarine etc.

I liked Teddy Roosevelt's version better.


J
 
Hi runnin,

My initial reaction to Mitt's comments is that he seems to imply that Obama has been weak in his foreign policy agenda and that he would be much tougher on Russia and China, to name two examples. One of his minions also said that the Bengazi attack would not have occurred under a Romney administration. Romney also recently stated that he would arm the Lybian rebels. He also seems to have a more doubtful stance regarding the effectiveness of the current sanctions placed on Iran.

When you look at these positions "in total", one can certainly infer that if elected, he would be the more aggressive president and more likely to use military force than Obama.

Frankly, I think, and other foreign policy experts I've heard have agreed, that this Administrations foreign policy has been highly successful.

My sense for this "topic" change is that there continues to be more positive economic news coming out and Romney needs another issue to run on.

GG
 
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I think the topic that will continue to come forth is the 'redistribution of income' topic.
The republicans are going to push that button hard....

Michigans economy seems to be doing better than it was 4 years ago...thanks in part to the GM bailout - which I was in much favor 4 years ago and debated with several of you... Glad I won.. :) anyway - My brother brought to my attention that it was in fact, George W. Bush that started the bailout with 13 billion in emergency funds.... something Congress wouldn't pass -- and something republicans didn't want (big government...are you kidding me??).

As much as some dislike our ex-president - the one thing I did like ... was his willingness to do what HE thought was right... Now, it may not have always been what you or I wanted... but I do respect that. It's the reason he won two elections... and I think Obama will win this one because he is charismatic.... People just like the guy personally.

But quite frankly, I was completely thrown back by Mitt Romney's debating skills....I have never seen anyone control a debate like that...
 
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