Anyone using Michi M8’s with their ML Electrostats?

[Paul172]

Just curious if anyone is using Michi M8’s for their Martin Logan electrostats?

 

[Paul172]

I’m guessing no.

 

[ttocs]

I thought there is someone around here who has a Michi amp?

 

[Robert D]

I thought there is someone around here who has a Michi amp?

Yes, I seem to recall that too.

 

[AlanJ]

Just curious if anyone is using Michi M8’s for their Martin Logan electrostats?

Yes, M8s and the Expressions 13A. It's a wonderful match. I describe it as the new neutral - clean, extended, not etched, very musical. One virtue is the ability to bring the dynamics in reproduced music closer to a real performance. All this with the non fatigue of hours on hours in the reclining chair. For full disclosure I'm with a dealership that represents many fine brands. I found the M8s able to wake up the Paradigm Persona 3F, a great fit with B&W .... The Michi's check all the boxes and bring life to the enjoyment of music. If you are in sunny South Florida please stop by - it's worth the time. I can hear a few voices in the background --- but compared to what ? A lot. So, in my personal collection at home -- VTL Wotans, PS Audio BHK 300s, Manley Labs Ref 500s, Cary Audio 211s, Krell KMA 400's, Wired 4 SoundSX-1000R, Peachtree GaN 400, Moscode 600.....So, even if you're not in the market for a new amp I would encourage you to let your ears and the magic of music come together.

 

[Paul172]

Yes, M8s and the Expressions 13A. It's a wonderful match. I describe it as the new neutral - clean, extended, not etched, very musical. One virtue is the ability to bring the dynamics in reproduced music closer to a real performance. All this with the non fatigue of hours on hours in the reclining chair. For full disclosure I'm with a dealership that represents many fine brands. I found the M8s able to wake up the Paradigm Persona 3F, a great fit with B&W .... The Michi's check all the boxes and bring life to the enjoyment of music. If you are in sunny South Florida please stop by - it's worth the time. I can hear a few voices in the background --- but compared to what ? A lot. So, in my personal collection at home -- VTL Wotans, PS Audio BHK 300s, Manley Labs Ref 500s, Cary Audio 211s, Krell KMA 400's, Wired 4 SoundSX-1000R, Peachtree GaN 400, Moscode 600.....So, even if you're not in the market for a new amp I would encourage you to let your ears and the magic of music come together.

Thanks. I have BHK 300’s and I was wondering if the M8 was a big upgrade. Thanks

 

[AlmostHome]

Good morning all,
I looked at the M8s a while back, and that warning on the back "4 ohms minimum" gave me pause. Is it probable that the prodigious power makes that a moot point? Would the same hold true for the smaller stereo amp with the same note? At least I'd only have to struggle with 130 lbs once - or should I say my son and I would?!!

 

[Paul172]

I talked to the Michi Rep at Axpona. I specifically asked about the below 4 ohm warning. He said the amps will have no issue with ML speakers and the warning is for speakers that run under 4ohm 100% of the time.

 

[AlanJ]

Paul,
The short answer is yes. They bring dynamic life to the music, detailed without being etched or fatiguing, They don't color the sound, you'll hear all the wonder in music that is well recorded. That said, sometimes I define audiophiles as people that keep improving the hardware till you hear all the faults in the software. At that point you can turn the system off - you have reached the goal. Everyone can have their own journey - that's the fun in this. If you want to chat later ....just send me your phone number.
Have a great day.
--Alan

 

[twich54]

I talked to the Michi Rep at Axpona. I specifically asked about the below 4 ohm warning. He said the amps will have no issue with ML speakers and the warning is for speakers that run under 4ohm 100% of the time.

Paul that rep gave you a strange answer, for name me one speaker that remains at it's nominal rating all the time.

 

[Paul172]

Paul that rep gave you a strange answer, for name me one speaker that remains at it's nominal rating all the time.

Regardless I love the M8’s but I think I have a Gryphon in my future!

 

[Russr]

Yes, M8s and the Expressions 13A. It's a wonderful match. I describe it as the new neutral -

Matter of interest - have you compared these/any others against the Brystn 4B-ST, SST or SST2 or Cubed? Quite keen to hear about those, and respective price-points.

 

[christopherf]

Yes, M8s and the Expressions 13A. It's a wonderful match. I describe it as the new neutral - clean, extended, not etched, very musical. One virtue is the ability to bring the dynamics in reproduced music closer to a real performance. All this with the non fatigue of hours on hours in the reclining chair. For full disclosure I'm with a dealership that represents many fine brands. I found the M8s able to wake up the Paradigm Persona 3F, a great fit with B&W .... The Michi's check all the boxes and bring life to the enjoyment of music. If you are in sunny South Florida please stop by - it's worth the time. I can hear a few voices in the background --- but compared to what ? A lot. So, in my personal collection at home -- VTL Wotans, PS Audio BHK 300s, Manley Labs Ref 500s, Cary Audio 211s, Krell KMA 400's, Wired 4 SoundSX-1000R, Peachtree GaN 400, Moscode 600.....So, even if you're not in the market for a new amp I would encourage you to let your ears and the magic of music come together.

I cannot afford the M8 pair but am seriously considering the Michi X-5 integrated as an upgrade in power, I like intergrated amplifiers; one box solution BUT it has to have a good phono stage; very few integrated amplifiers have good phono stages.

German Stereoplay rated the M8 very highly as well as the X-5 Every month there are new complete ratings that can be downloaded called Rang und Namen

First they rate the Rang (Sound) and then a score is given for value sound versus the price being asked

The Michi line is now in Version 2 iteration; the X-5 is said to have added 95 new parts plus an upgraded DAC

■ T+A M 40 HV 65 93 39.000 7/18
■ Burmester 216 64 91 23.800 12/22
■ Rotel Michi M8 Mono {(Paarpreis)} 63 91 12.000 4/20
AVM SA 8.3 63 91 14.100 10/20
Nagra Classic Amp 63 90 14.900 5/17
■ AVM Ovation MA 6.2{(Monoblöcke, Paar)} 63 91 15.000 10/17
■ Brinkmann Mono {(Paar)} 63 89 15.000 6/19
T+A M 10{(Monoblöcke, Paar, nur XLR-Eingänge)} 63 93 20.000 8/10
AVM SA 8 62 92 9.900 5/12
Naim NAP 300 DR 62 88 11.000 11/15
T+A A 3000 HV{(mit PS 3000: 62/92 Pkt)} 62 91 11.900 7/14
Audia Flight Strumento N°4 62 92 12.500 6/12
Technics SE-R1 62 91 13.000 11/15

Dan D’Agostino Progression Integr. Stream 62|64|63 90 26.000 6/20
■ Devialet Expert 1000 Pro{(HiRes drahtlos)} 61|63|63 89 27.900 8/17
■ McIntosh MA9000 62|—|62 89 13.000 1/19
■ Technics SU-R1000 62|—|61 90 7.500 5/21
■ Mark Levinson Nº 585 62|—|61 89 14.000 9/16
Devialet 400{(HiRes drahtlos)} 61|61|61 90 12.900 12/14
■ McIntosh MA8900 DA2 61|—|62 88 10.000 7/20
■ AVM Ovation A 8.3{(Röhrenvorstufe)} 61|—|62 87 12.800 12/21
■ McIntosh MA8900 61|—|61 87 8.950 2/18
■ AVM Ovation CS 8.2 61|61|60 87 10.000 2/17
■ Rotel MICHI X5 60|—|61 88 7.000 7/21
■ AVM CS 3.3{(CD-Spieler, Streamer, DAC)} 60|61|— 89 7.500 6/22
Krell K-300i Digital 60|61|61 87 9.000 10/19
Hegel H590 60|61|61 83 10.000 12/18
■ Musical Fidelity M8Xi 59|—|60 88 6.000 7/21
Mark Levinson 5802 {nur Digital-In} —|—|60 92 8.000 10/19

T+A PA3100 HV{(mit Netzteil PS 3000 HV)} 64 92 24.500 4/17
German Physiks The Emperor Extreme 64 93 30.000 9/20
Dan D’Agostino Momentum 64 89 49.000 6/14
■ Luxman L-595A SE 63 91 12.595 9/21
■ Pass Labs INT-250 63 88 13.900 6/20
Symphonic Line Kraftwerk Mk3 Reference 63 87 23.000 6/18
■ Luxman L-507Z 62 89 9.500 8/22
■ Progressive Audio A901 62 86 11.500 10/18
■ Pass INT 60 62 89 11.750 6/16
■ Pass Labs INT-25 61 86 8.900 2/20
■ Symphonic Line RG 10 Mk5 {(Phono MM/MC)} 61 84 9.500 2/20
Aestethix Audio Corporation Mimas 61 86 10.500 12/22
McIntosh MA 8000 61 90 11.980 6/14
■ AVM Ovation A6.2 60 88 9.000 3/16
ASR Emitter 2 Eclusive{(3 Netzteile)} 60 86 15.000 5/13
■ T+A PA 2500 R 59 86 6.500 7/15
■ Accuphase E 460 59 86 8.350 12/12
■ Symphonic Line RG 14 58 81 4.400 6/19
■ Devialet 110{(HiRes drahtlos)} 58 84 5.000 3/14
■ Pathos Inpol Remix 58 80 5.000 1/16
■ McIntosh MA252 AC 58 82 5.000 5/18
Yamaha A-S3200{(Phono MM/MC)} 58 82 5.500 9/20
Sugden IA-4 58 81 5.950 10/18

 

[christopherf]

Regardless I love the M8’s but I think I have a Gryphon in my future!

Oh boy lucky you check out the newest version of the Diablo 300 now the Diablo 333 but the prices including phono stage are breathtaking

 

[Robert D]

Oh boy lucky you check out the newest version of the Diablo 300 now the Diablo 333 but the prices including phono stage are breathtaking

Yeah, it's considerable.

"The new Gryphon Diablo 333 integrated amplifier will go on sale in October 2023. The suggested retail price of the novelty is $24,900 . The optional Gryphon DAC -3 DAC module will cost an additional $7,000 , while the Gryphon PS -3 phono stage module is priced at $5,600 ."

https://www.techweekmag.com/news/hi-fi/gryphon-diablo-333-a-new-integrated-amplifier-from-denmark/

 

[Russr]

@AlanJ - was wondering if you'd ever encountered/tried the Bryston 4B-ST, SST or Cubed amps as a comparison? I've always thought of them as being extremely neutral (the 4B-ST especially), and would love to hear from someone who has compared them to other neutral-sounding amps.

Cheers


Russ

 

[christopherf]

Yeah, it's considerable.

"The new Gryphon Diablo 333 integrated amplifier will go on sale in October 2023. The suggested retail price of the novelty is $24,900 . The optional Gryphon DAC -3 DAC module will cost an additional $7,000 , while the Gryphon PS -3 phono stage module is priced at $5,600 ."

https://www.techweekmag.com/news/hi-fi/gryphon-diablo-333-a-new-integrated-amplifier-from-denmark/

Would you be kind enough to share with me what the rest of your system consists of & if the Michi X-5 would work with the 13A? I am especially interested in the phono stage; we have 1000+ albums that have been cleaned & are now in pristine condition; along with a Pro-ject RPM 10 Carbon tt

I posted yesterday regarding ML & the future of ESL since they are not appearing in ads or more importantly at shows. The emphasis now appears to be pushing the Motion series. The post appeared but now no longer shows under my “content”?

 

[christopherf]

It is odd but at the same time I am glad it occurred to me to keep the link to the posting; the link works but in my account after I click on content this posting does not appear. Call me naive but I am hoping as many members as possible will weigh in on this issue. Thank you in advance to all who take precious time to reply

https://www.martinloganowners.com/c...uestion-regarding-the-future-of-ml-esl.52795/

 

[anil]

@Paul172 I am using a Michi X-5 with a pair of 15a and cannot imagine the speakers sounding any better. The M8 will be icing on the top.

 

[anil]

@christopherf the X-5 is a big thumbs up. I have a pair of 15a so the 13a should be great.