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Hello guys, I am a user of a DAC by Benchmark. I am reading a lot of the new M DAC by AudioLab. Does anybody of you had listened or is using it in your system? I just had first experience with this DAC, and I am very impressed. I am taking it to my place and will do a serious listen. Please tell me what do you think about it. Happy listening!
 
Hello guys, I am a user of a DAC by Benchmark. I am reading a lot of the new M DAC by AudioLab. Does anybody of you had listened or is using it in your system? I just had first experience with this DAC, and I am very impressed. I am taking it to my place and will do a serious listen. Please tell me what do you think about it. Happy listening!

Haven't heard it, but let us know your comparisons with the Benchmark. Bernard and I were just discussing the Naim DAC too, in the Australian audio show thread - you should also get that in for audition...
 
I will do it in a very near future. I did order one for sample, I have to wait about a month, but it is fine. I have a friend who has it, and perhaps I could get a loan for a couple of days or so... I will call him right away!... thanks for your post, we are having this quakes, but thanks to God, we are scared, but well. Thanks a lot and happy listening!
 
Hola Chicos. Well, at last I had enough time listening this M DAC. I have to tell you the truth. I have not been listening too much digital. My heart still is with analogue gear, but this baby just made me reconsider my position with digital. Not only that, for the first time, I can listen MP3 without been mad, because I hate when the sound is distorted or over-modulated that makes to some musical notes of any kind of instrument to collapse. This happened before, but now with this M DAC, there is no collapse at all. It's sound is so thrill, that I can stand MP3 without been thinking that I am listening it. I am not saying that MP3 is the purist front gear, it is like a good cd player (comercial) like a Rotel or Sony. The software is the clue. These guys at AudioLab just made their homework with this product. For the first time in my audiophile life, I can stand a whole violin cd recording without any ear fatigue. Not only that, it is challenging my analogue gear. I took my turntable (Linn Sondek LP-12) off my system right now, because I do not want to do more comparisons. I can say that for the first time, I am really enjoying digital that much. The unit comes with several built in digital filters, and you can switch from one to other, and listen the change into the sound. The stage is huge and stable. The air between instruments is something that was very difficult to me to get it before on the digital gear, due to the natural time decay of the musical notes...now this is so natural, that I said to myself, you are getting goose bumps from a digital gear, Roberto? Realize that!! So, I had to tell you so. The piano notes are extended to its full potential. The decay is as the piano player wants it to be. This is what I sense. There are a lot of echoes, room theatre reverberation, that are present in a live performance. Usually with digital gear, it is to difficult to my ears to understand this, now with the M DAC is simple and easy. I do not have over-bright strings. I am using Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects, not because I think these are the best, but they are not bad. I am using the M dac as a pre-amplifier too. The unit comes with remote control. You can disable or enable the volume control. Also you have a wide range of filter options. While I was writing this too you, I google search to see if there was a review for this unit and I found it: http://www.avrevolution.com.au/SiteMedia/w3svc1114/Uploads/Documents/Audiolab_MDAC_HFC.pdf . I do like this product. Happy listening!
 
The MDAC, which is based on the ESS Sabre 9018 chipset, was designed by John Westlake for Audiolab. He's a digital guru, and actually offers an upgraded power supply and some other options for the MDAC under his own LakeWest brand. There's a ton of MDAC discussion over at the Pink Fish Media forum. I once had an MDAC on order, but canceled when I found out John was not going to offer his upgrades to the U.S. market. I subsequently demo'd the Invicta DAC from new company Resonessence Labs (in Canada), whose principals are actually the folks that designed the Sabre 9018 chip, so they also know what they're doing. The Invicta offered the cleanest bass I've ever heard, but was still somewhat a beta product, as the engineers were still tweaking the digital filters. I ended up getting a great deal on a Bel Canto VB3.5, and (somewhat regrettably) sent the Invicta back. The Bel Canto lacked the Invictas' bass detail, but overall had more punch and "live" sound, albeit at a higher price point. I've heard the new Invicta filter options really take it up a notch in the mids and highs. Competition has really heated up. Benchmark has just started shipping their new Sabre 9018 based DAC-2, which is also supposed to be DSD capable. I hope to demo one of those at some point. High-res digital (especially well-recorded 24/96+) and the new DAC's can really give vinyl a run for the money. It will be interesting to see if DSD tracks (and DSD capable DAC's) start to gain a foothold as well.
 
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Thanks sleepysurf. Yes, you are right, I did meet him at the CES. He did talk a lot regarding the M Dac as I recall, and now I learn from you that he does not work for the AudioLab. As I recall too, the was talking regarding the digital filters used in the M DAC. He said that there are a lot of options, and how to proceed to carry the digital signal. There are a lot of different paths to do the filtering. A reason why the user at the M DAC has the option to find which will do the best for his ears. Well, at last I got one. I am not going to say it is perfect, but I listen good things here, many good things. I had previously the DAC1 from Benchmark, and the truth is: smoked. For what you pay, I think it is a good gear. Perhaps there are a lot of better DACs out there, but this M DAC got my heart instantly. The music is mellow and not hard. The stage is huge and the instruments are right there, at the stage. The heart of the musician(s) playing and how nice is the timbre with the right size of the instrument(s) really got my heart. I am enjoying it that much. On the other hand, DSD is the way for an ultra outstanding reproduction. Happy listening!
 
There are dsd capable dacs? What do they do take the analog back to digital and then back to analog??
 
DSD is the native high-res format used in SACD's, and touted by some respected recording engineers (such as Cookie Morenco), as the latest and greatest advance ever in music reproduction. It's a digital format, so you ultimately need a DAC (or DAC chip) to convert it to analog for playback. Tons of info here... http://dsd-guide.com/

There are dsd capable dacs? What do they do take the analog back to digital and then back to analog??
 
There are dsd capable dacs? What do they do take the analog back to digital and then back to analog??

No, they take digital and process it. Usually through a proprietary connection.

Have a look at the EMM DAC2 as an example.
 
their new Sabre 9018 based DAC-2,

I've never understood the doo-daah about chipsets. Digital conversion is a very well understood technology - the buffering, alalogue filtering, analogue output stage and power supply are far more important considerations.

Most chipsets since a TDA1540 do a good job of conversion.
 
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No, they take digital and process it. Usually through a proprietary connection.

Have a look at the EMM DAC2 as an example.
Would it not be simpler to forget all this proprietary stuff and just leave the signal in the analog domain? :p :devil:
 
I generally agree. However, the more I read about the "math and science" of filtering options, the more I appreciate how complicated this aspect of conversion is. There's an interesting article (written by the Resonessence Labs folks) here... http://www.audiostream.com/content/...ied-todays-audio-dacs-resonessence-labs-techn

I've never understood the doo-daah about chipsets. Digital conversion is a very well understood technology - the buffering, alalogue filtering, analogue output stage and power supply are far more important considerations.

Most chipsets since a TDA1540 do a good job of conversion.
 
And have it polluted with all that surface noise, distortion, pops and crackles? :ROFL:
And yet I have heard people say that they don't believe it's an LP because its so clean :p

Admittedly not with all of my LPs.
 
Obviously a recording without quiet passages!
Yup, heavy metal by Beethoven. :)

Seriously, I do have some very quiet LPs.

I would not forego music I like because its digital. Hell, in desperation I used to listen to a song I love on a cassette, until I found the LP. Some digital sounds pretty darned good, especially JVC's XRCD.

Roberto, no apologies for hijacking your thread; I know you don't mind, amigo.
 
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Well, I also have very quiet LPs...and the music is not playing loud, in other words, very quiet LP surface. On the other hand, my needle is a Van-Den-Hull type. The needle touches more area than conventional, making this to track more music than noisy. But I admit that the LPs are noisy. But this noise is not part of the music itself, and you can filter it easy with your brain. The problem with the digital is that you can not filter it, the problem comes with the signal... I am talking regarding the decay, the air that should be between the instruments. Yes the distortion too. But again, you can mentally suppress it in the analogue gear, because it is not part of the music. Getting back to this DAC M, I am very impressed with it. I do like how digital is sounding. At last, digital is getting there, to the right way to sing along. I know that out there are better DACs, and that the DSD is the way to go. But for the first time, I admit that digital sound is a good revival to analogue. And I am getting the right presentation of the stage, with tons of air and the right decay with this not so expensive device. Not only that, as Bernard said, he listened to a cassette!... well here I did listen to a computer via USB. MP3 shi# and my ears popped out when I listened the first song. MP3? I did ask. Yup, my friend said. It was music mellow east listening type, and my brain said to me: Wow!... if this is MP3 shi#, how it would perform with a better quality digital signal... and you know the answer. Happy listening!
 
I reckon the air between instruments heard on analogue is simply the poor noise floor acting as dither.

Porcupine Tree play with dither... very obviously.

Glad you like the DAC, Roberto. Has been very popular here in the UK.
 
I am listening the reason why it it is so popular. It is a great DAC. I know out there are better DACs, but for what you are investing, I think it is a jewel. My ears loves this unit. When you listen to analogue, you must be prepared for it, including the surface noise. As I said before, the noise is not part of the music, so, you can mentally suppress it easy. The way that analogue plays the music, is very very right with the amount of energy for each instrument...with digital, it is lacking this feature to make it perfect. This is my liking and not necessary yours. Happy listening.
 
I've been looking around for a new DAC to replace my aging DLIII. This seems perfect and right in my price range with the added benefit of a headphone amplifier for those times I need it in my main system. I have to admit, with the DLIII, I'm pretty lazy.. auto power on and auto selection of source, I really don't have to think about it. The M-DAC remote will do :) After doing some additional research, this may be at the top of my list.
 
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