Could use a little help with speaker positioning and my room

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Hey guys, its been a while since I posted anything here. I have been reading about ML placement and rooms in some threads and have tried a few different things like moving out the speakers a bit from the front wall but I seem to have trouble getting a solid center image. It seems to always stray left a little bit and I am not sure what this means. I have tried facing the speakers at many different angles towards the center but I couldn’t get it right. I believe I did get a better center image before I moved my speakers out this much, but I wanted to try to get a bit more depth, and I know around 4-5 ft is recommended by many here.

I have a pair of Sources, 4 1/2 ft from the front wall and 2 1/2 ft from the side walls. I have included some photos of my room setup to maybe get a few opinions on what I can do better without having to change everything, and having to spend a lot of money. The room I am using is not totally closed in but is part of an open layout sort of basement. I am thinking the way I have the speakers set up right now that I may be sitting too close, my ears are probably 7 ft from the speakers when sitting and the seat I am using, probably 6 ft.

I do not have treated walls, but I have seemed to kill some slap echo by placing a sleeping bag onto the left wall. There is still a little bit of slap echo on both sides in the corners. I have been getting a pretty nice sound out of these Sources, it is just getting frustrating that I can’t get a solid center vocal locked in, when I feel I am perfectly in the center in my seat. And the only other thing I can think of that bothers me sometimes is a little bit of mid range fatigue on some recordings.

Anyway, bottom line is I would appreciate any help at all or opinions on things I can do to get the best out of my listening space. Thanks very much.
-Eric.

Couple of notes about the room and the photos. 1st one is of the room setup from far away showing the back of where my listening position is; there is another couch up against the back of the one I use for listening which is facing a TV on the wall on that side.
Also the right wall in the listening space goes a few feet further than the left wall which is shown in the 2nd photo.
 

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I'd consider moving the speakers closer to the wall. 3 1/2' - 4' out I would try and then work on more & different room / wall treatments. If that's a sub I spy in your pic, try moving that to different parts of the room. That could have an impact. No pun intended.:rolleyes::D
Also, continue searching on the forums, particularly member pics.
 
I tried moving the only thing I hadn't before, which was my amp and the table it is sitting on to the center and to my amazement it actually brought the image pretty much dead center! Didn't really think it would work but apparently this makes a huge difference. Thanks for your suggestion Tube60, I did move my Sources back a bit before moving my amp and that probably helped as well.
 
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I believe I did get a better center image before I moved my speakers out this much...

I am thinking the way I have the speakers set up right now that I may be sitting too close, my ears are probably 7 ft from the speakers when sitting and the seat I am using, probably 6 ft.

You may try to place your speakers closer to each other in order to better focus the imaging. The distance between your speakers should be less than the distance of the speaker to your listening position. It helps the depth to have them away from the front wall but when you moved them 4-5 feet you also needed to move your listening position back to maintain the proper triangle proportions. There is a name for this type of triangle but my geometry is rusty.

Toeing them a little also help with imaging. I use the flashlight method for toe-in. Refer to the ML manual for the flashlight method.
 
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