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  1. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Jon, great post. I can’t disagree with anything you said. Interesting perspective on the forum traffic. Maybe it is that people tend towards some of the larger, more generalized Audio forums. And the old timers here just don’t have as much to discuss that hasn’t already been talked to death...
  2. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Alan, thanks for your perspective. You bring up some good points. I’m not in agreement that ML’s customer demographic has changed that much. I think ML itself has changed to take advantage of a wider variety of customer demographics because it is profitable to do so. Let me explain. I don’t...
  3. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Really? Ok, let’s compare. Last year I replaced my 15 year old F250. I paid $40,000 for the most basic version back in 2001. I bought the King Ranch version last year for $60,000. Had I bought the basic Lariat, I would have spent about $6000 less. This rise in price almost perfectly tracks...
  4. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Dave, I honestly can’t believe the 13a’s sound that much better than my Summits, but they cost half again as much. The spot just doesn’t seem that sweet to me.
  5. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Thanks for the input, timm. I figured you would have an interesting perspective, owning both the Odyssey’s and the 20.7’s. I agree with you about the feelings engendered by working with small American companies with passionate ownership. And honestly, you’re correct about the similarities in...
  6. Rich

    Merry Christmas

    Merry Christmas to all! That’s a fine looking tree, Dave.
  7. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Dave, I view the Maggie’s much like I view the CLX. Would I own a pair of CLX without also purchasing a pair of subs? Of course not, as the CLX only go down to 56 hz., lacking that low end grunt of the hybrids. But I dare say the Maggie 20.7’s (which actually go down to 25 hz.) will compare...
  8. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Tom, I think that’s true to a large extent. But I don’t know how much it really plays into the whole picture. I didn’t become interested in sound quality, nor could I afford high end gear, until I was in my mid-thirties. I suspect the same is true for a lot of people. And there are still plenty...
  9. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Good points, Mark. Obviously, every company is different in their goals and revenue/profit models. But there is a key factor that shouldn’t go unnoticed, and that is whether the company is still run by its founders or whether it has been sold out to a corporate structure. ML seems to have gone...
  10. Rich

    Hello from Florida

    Welcome to the forum. Which ML’s did you purchase? I’ve got family down in St. Pete. Nice area.
  11. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Dave and Mark both make some good points. Audiophiles may be a vanishing breed, with an ever-decreasing customer base to divvy up between a plethora of high end brands. Perhaps this is why ML filled out their brand selection in the lower price tiers. Maybe that is the majority of their revenue...
  12. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    Interesting perspective. While I agree with you that today’s models are better in many ways than previous models (and I would expect nothing less) the same is true of the other brands I mentioned. All manufacturers tend to improve their products over time to maintain customer interest. That...
  13. Rich

    The DON / redux

    Wow, Breitbart’s editor-in-chief admitted today that he believed Roy Moore’s accusers and thought Moore was a terrible candidate! This coming from the top editor of the “fake news” rag that vociferously supported Moore and questioned the credibility of his accusers. Just another example of the...
  14. Rich

    The DON / redux

    I haven’t had time to listen for the past week. Too busy with Christmas stuff, family, etc. Hopefully I’ll get some time for music tomorrow.
  15. Rich

    Is the Martin Logan brand declining?

    I’m curious about this. I’ve been a member of this forum for over ten years now. When I started, it seemed like there was so much interest in and enthusiasm for this brand. And this forum was filled with discussions about the speakers, the brand, and hifi in general. Nowadays, it doesn’t seem...
  16. Rich

    The DON / redux

    I look at this from having lived on both sides of the coin. I was on my own and poor at 18. I put myself through college with Pell Grants, student loans, and work/study. Now, I’ve been retired and living off my equity portfolio for the past seventeen years. Coincidentally, my current house...
  17. Rich

    The DON / redux

    Regarding the estate tax, I understand your arguments. I also understand the idea of trying to prevent the formation of a permanent class of “nobility” in this country. As you say, they earned it. But they can’t take it with them, and their heirs didn’t earn it in any sense of the word. Yet they...
  18. Rich

    The DON / redux

    Timm, are you talking $6k take home per year or per month? Because you said your February check would have quite a bit more. If you’re talking $6k per year, then the Feb check would have $500 more. Which doesn’t sound like “quite a bit more” to me, but then it’s all relative. If you are talking...
  19. Rich

    The DON / redux

    Ah, there’s your problem Brad. Personally, I don’t watch TV “news.” I consider it poorly produced opinion and entertainment. I get my news by reading, and from a large variety of sources. That way I control what information I am getting and I can much more efficiently find the news that...
  20. Rich

    The DON / redux

    Quite a bit more? Hardly, unless you’re already in a top bracket. According to an analysis of the law by the Urban-Brookings tax policy center: Looks pretty slanted toward the ultra-wealthy to me, despite what Trump says about it favoring the middle class.
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