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New Spires in the house (maggie comparison)

Fedex showed up today to drop off a brand new set of Spires. A little background info... I have a set of Magnepan 3.6 as well and will be doing a direct mono e mono comparison using wyred4sound sx1000 monoblocks to power them both and an anthem pre. I was very happy with the Maggies but had been itching for some stats and the deal I got was hard to pass up. So until the maggies sell, I have both switching in and out to compare. A bit early to make any definitive comments yet, but even without breakin the bass of the spires is much deeper and more impactful. I'll need to some good listening time to compare the rest of the performance. One other thing I can say is that the ML plays much louder at the same volume level. Pics will be coming.
 
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Congradulations,

It will be interesting to hear your comments on the comparison of the 2 speakers.
 
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Disclaimer: The Spires are only a couple days old and have about 10 hours on them.

I got some time today to compare my new ML Spires and Magnepan 3.6 speakers. I set them up right next to each other with the ML's on the inside. Of course placement wasn't perfect but was good enough to give me a clear impression on the characteristics of the two speakers. I'll be perfectly honest, I am into guitars too and people are always using crazy descriptive terms to describe things like syrupy, spongey, woody, etc... I don't even know what that stuff does, so I'll just tell you guys how it sounds, because that's what I care about :)
I used a few different tracks in a couple of different genres, some might seem like odd choices but they actually offer some cool imaging comparisons(eg: fireflies):
Myles Davis: so what
Diana Krall/Norah Jones: Turn
Shinedown: Second Chance
Bonnie Tyler: It's a Heartache
Owl City: Fireflies
Maria Callas: Ave Maria
Nazareth: Love Hurts
One Republic: Apologize
Smashing Pumpkins: Disarm(acoustic)
Chesky Ultimate test disk

Both of the speakers are very transparent in their presentation just due to the planar/estat technology. The characteristics that emerged between the two speakers were pretty consistent on all the songs I listened to and will be spoken of in a general context, except one... yes you guessed it, BASS.

Summary:
Both the Spires and 3.6's were accurate and presented the music with a large soundstage and distinct imaging. The 3.6's had a larger soundstage, particularly vertically and the Spires seemed a bit tighter. It was quite difficult to compare one midrange with the other, or the Maggies vaunted ribbon tweeter with the panel because no matter what part of the sound spectrum I was listening to, the speakers imparted their own flavour to the overall sound. The magnepans were definitely a warmer speaker than the Spires, which isn't to say it was less detailed, but it was certainly more reserved, and that was with an adjustment in volume to account for the lower sensitivity. In fact I had to turn up the pre A LOT to match volumes with the Spires. I could see how some might find the 3.6's a more musical sounding speaker. I even played with the EQ a little bit to see if I could make them sound similar with different settings, but it was just the inherent characteristics of the speakers. Compared to the Maggies, the ML's were more analytical and immediate. I wouldn't say there was a veil over the maggie sound because they were still very detailed(I didn't hear anything in the ML's that I didn't hear in the Maggies), but because the ML's didn't have that reserved sound it really accentuates the details, making it seem like you are hearing more. I think the ML's will also benefit from more break-in. The ribbon tweeter is a thing of beauty and when it is subtly reigned in by that reserved Maggie tone, it is very nice and musical. The Spires were able to create those same upper tones masterfully but again didn't have that maggie warmth that some might like. The midrange goes to the Spires for its pure, crisp reproduction of sound.
Before I got the Spires I really liked the bass on the Maggies and didn't feel the need for a sub, I'm not a bass head, don't really listen to rap and stuff like that, and have a dedicated HT room for movies. However, when i got the Spires and listened to the same songs I had become intimate with on the 3.6's I realized how much I was missing in the bass department. Besides going lower, which it does by a large margin, the bass of the Spires is tighter and much more impactful. On some of the songs like Fireflies and Apologize, it practically changed the song. I have the bass set at -4 for my room and it sounds great. The panels of both speakers are about 3' off the rear wall and sound great, no big issues with either in that regard.

Summary/Conclusions:
The best way to describe the difference between the 3.6's and Spires is with a headphone analogy.
3.6 = Sennheiser
Spires = Grado

The Spires had a more upfront presentation and an analytical quality that I have always liked. I would prefer to feel like I am in the front row rather that the middle of the theatre, and that is strictly a personal preference and isn't a knock on the 3.6's at all, after all, I still own them! But the biggest difference is the quality and impact of the bass. Now that I have heard the bass of the Spires, there does seem to be something missing in the Maggies that I didn't recognize before. It is less noticeable in songs that have no bass of course, but it is there none the less. The other factor to consider is the price difference, because there is a big one. I don't think I could have brought myself to spend 9K or whatever on a new set of Spires when i could get the 3.6's for 5K. But I was able to get the Spires new for the same price as the maggies, and all things being equal the Spire is a better speaker for MY PREFERENCES. One more point. The Wyred4Sound SX-1000 amps are absolutely monster of tone. The local shop had 2 x 28sst's set up with some $20K pre/cd setup and no sh1t, the sx1000's hang with it no problem. They have massive amounts of power and are so musical, not to mention that both of the sit side by side beneath my preamp with room to spare. The bass is tight and hits hard and there is headroom for days. Awesome amps. $2000 and you are set for power regardless what speakers you have, oh, and you literally cannot get these things hot without the aid of a blow torch.
 
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Rossi,

I enjoyed reading your comparison. I used to own the 3.6rs and certainly agree with many of your comments. The ribbon tweeter is a miraculous feat of engineering. Perhaps the most natural sounding HF driver I've ever heard... but the over all sonic signature of the maggies just doesn't compare to the higher end MLs. As you said, there's something more immediate with the MLs... more "there". And you're quite right too about the bass being less than steller from the 3.6rs (at least in my setup - similar to yours). I almost bought the spires about a year and a half ago, but ended up going with the Summit-X (talk about bass). Anyway, thank you for taking the time to craft your experience into words. Contributions like these are most welcome here at MLC/MLO/M?? - whatever we're calling ourselves these days ;)

Cheers,

-Todd
 
Thanks ron and your welcome todd. Having heard the Spires in my room with my equipment I can say with 100% confidence that the Summit X would not have worked. I already have the bass turned down to -4db and that is perfect for me. More important was to get as much panel as I could which is why I went with the Spire over the Ethos. I see you wanted more panel too Todd(CLX). I have enjoyed watching your youtube clip a few times.
 
Summary/Conclusions:
The best way to describe the difference between the 3.6's and Spires is with a headphone analogy.
3.6 = Sennheiser
Spires = Grado

Nice review/comparison.
Interesting analogy. One of the reasons I love my Sennheiser headphones so much is that it reminds me of my Martin Logans. Had some Grados and they were way too up front for me but I do get your comparison.
I know it's probably too early to tell, but for long listening sessions, which do you think you would prefer?
 
mickeyVee,

I have never really been one to suffer from listening fatigue so I don't know if I am the best person to answer that for you. The Spires are still pretty new also, so I would do that comparison with a few more hours on them. The headphone analogy is more a way to express in words the difference in characteristics, but as an ML owner yourself you know that they aren't as upfront as the Grado's. It was just a way to say that the Magnepans are more reserved. But to answer your question I can say that if I like a speaker more for short listening sessions I will usually like it more for longer ones as I don't get fatigued really. If you are someone who does get that way, the magnepans might be perfect. I know this is a ML fans site and there is going to be bias, regardless of what people assure you, the Magnepans are a killer set of speakers and for some could certainly be considered superior to all but the CLX. For me personally, the Spires are better by quite a margin due to the bass, impact and neutrality.
 
Hi Ross,

Out of curiosity, do you post on the Audio Asylum forum and if so, have you also provided your observations on that site?

GG
 
Hey Gord,

Nope, this is the only site I post on besides a guitar site. I've never been on audio asylum before. Would they like the review, or has someone posted one similar??
 
Hola. I use the guitar as a reference to test any audio system. I studied for over 14 years classical guitar with Francisco Bracamonte, a direct pupil of Agustin Barrios Mangore. As you do know, the first string is an E, second (B) string at the 5th fret is an E, 3rd (G) string at 9th fret same E, 4th (D) string at 14th fret (E) and 5th (A) string 19th fret is another E. All these E notes have the same pitch, but have different timbre due to the thickness of the string. I was some time ago, a Maggie user until I listened the CLSs. For the first time, I could understand the fingering of the left hand at the guitar board very easy. I was truly impressed by this kind of new sound to me. No crossover, and the right size of the instrument(s) with a very open stage. Yes I know, they are bass shy, but I assure you that I like to be with less bass than to have over-bass, that makes the bass player next to me, and not with all the musicians. Coherence is the clue. There are no phase shifts. Also, the diaphragm of any ML on these days is so light that weights less than the air that it moves. In other words, the electrical signal applied to it, will moves as fast as the signal is, and wil stop moving right away as there is no signal, because there is no weight. Transient is the clue here. Now I am a CLX user and I can tell you that I had never liestend the effortless, clarity, dynamics, inner detail, air between instruments, and the fun that the muscian(s) are having. With ML, is so easy to have the soul fo the musician(s) and their feeling to express the music. Today I got a new set of speaker wire from Nordost Blue Heaven and these cables are making my CLXs to sing so nice that I am re-discovering all my recordings. Spend more time with your Spires and get used to them... because you are so used to your Maggies, just use one month the Spires without listening the Maggies and then make the test. You will notice more palpable, more right size of the instruments, more real the sound of ML. Do not get me wrong. Maggies are the speakers that I will have if ML is not available. The ribbon tweeter to me, makes me be next to the musician on some notes and then puts me back to my listening chair like a cartoon. I am not saying they are not clean, of course they are, but when I listen to them I have the drummer about two meters away of the cymbals. With the electrostatic panel, they are with the drummer. Listen Quality of Silence by Steve Daves, track No. 2... Please, spend more time with your new Spires, I assure you a new musical experience with them, they need more time to break in, and will sing to you super nice... I wish you a very happy listening,
Roberto.
 
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Hi Rossi,

Thank you for taking the time to do the comparison. It was so long ago that I also made the move from Maggies to ML. The first time I fired the MLs up, I literally ducked behind the sofa, the immediacy and speed were breathtaking, absolutely no mucking around when it came to presentation, it was riveting, almost too much like 'being there' in the 4 th row.

Despite the compromise of being a hybrid,the MLs showed me just how 2 dimensional the bass of the Maggies was.

That immediacy never goes away with the MLs, you 'see' everything as you listen, any poor gear gets exposed, they are truly transparent.

Glad you are on the journey with us.

Fieff
 
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Ross,

Given my short experience with AA (I no longer post on that site. Whole different attitude in my opinion) my sense is that you won't get a standing ovation.

Gordon
 
I know what you mean about AA most of them are snotty,green eared punks and the the attitude is amazing.
Just my opinion
 
Rossi:

Now that you've had the Spires for 6 weeks, how do they compare to the Maggies? What is the size of your room (and listening wall)? I listened to the MG 1.7 and loved the sound and their superior vertical dispersion due to the taller panel plus price of $2K. But i believe they are somewhat big for my room with only 3 feet of sidewall distance.
 
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