Re flykmair:
Does only running three speakers instead of five on a receiver actually give you the ability to devote more power to those three speakers? I thought the power per channel was constant, whether you had one or five speakers being powered.
Also, the Rotel 1095 is the cheapest 200w per channel amplifier I have come across. It's almost suspiciously inexpensive, even though it seems to have good reviews. Would it provide good results to a system with Source speakers even without a preamp? As good or better than Purity speakers?
Re Joey_V:
Hi Joey. This is strictly for HT, and I certainly wouldn't complain about spending less money, but I don't want inferior results. Also, I have to admit, I like the look of ML speakers. My place isn't very big, so the room that will be my HT room is also my living room, and I don't want to ruin the decor with a bunch of boring black boxes. With that said, is there some HT limitation of ML other than having a small sweet spot? I have one sofa, and I am not too concerned about the quality of audio anywhere except for sitting on that sofa.
Your in luck, I actually demo'd the Sources and on 4 different rotel amps, the rb-1050 70 watts x 2 into 8 ohms and the Rb-1070 130 watts x 2 into 8 ohms and Rb-1080 200 watts x 2 into 8 ohms and their class d RB-1072 100 watts x 2 into 8 ohms. The amp in the purity's is what it is, give you an example, the Amp in the depth i is 300 with peak of 900 cost for relacement amp is aprox 150. Martin Logan makes the Depth i inhouse and the Purity and Sources are made by someone else for them(bottom end housing and woofer) panels are made by Ml. call martin logan and see what the amps in each purity cost my guess about 125 each so figure 250 to 300 to get both replaced. you tell me whats going to be better and sound better, a 37 lbs rb-1080 rotel amp at $999 new(used from 250 and up) or the built in amps in the puritys. i listened to the puritys driven by their internal amp first and then the rotels and then back to their internals with the same music. the rotels smoothed out the speaker, made it rich and warm and gave a mid bass punch lacked by the internal amp. I only suggested the Puritys since you can grab them for what the sources cost and you wont have to by an amp right away.
As for the denon avr3808ci, they are not running seperate amps per channel on seperate boards like Anthem Statement P5 or Nad M25 look at this link and youll see what I am saying!
http://www.who-sells-it.com/cy/nad-...technical-brochure-5897/page-14-fullsize.html notice 7 seperate boards with heat fins for each seperate amp, now looking inside the top of your denon. Think ML depthi sub, it has 3 active woofers and one amp, so that 300 watt amp runs all 3 active woofers, think of the denon avr3808ci that way! I know its not exactly like that but just trying to get you to see the big picture.
Whats the size of the room, how far apart will the two fronts be? How far away from the fronts is the sofa? Can you put your fronts atleast 30 inches fron the rear wall and about 24 inches from the side wall? How high is the sofa? How high is you head from the floor when sitting on the sofa? Remember both the Purity and sources have a 28 inch esl panel, but you can rotate the bottom to change the angle of the the speaker to change the angle of the panel. If I remember right the the source/purity is about 47 inches to the top of the panel. So you id you have the panels level and not tilted up your head should be about 35 to 40 max inches from the ground. I am 42 inches from the ground with my vistas placing me in the center of the panel for my main listening spot. My co,mputer chair my head is 47 inches above the ground and at that hieght I lost some clarity, ie... highs with panels not tilted up on the sources. Their is so much to consider, size of room, openings, windows, blinds, bookshelves, drywall, wall texture. My sofa is my sweetspot my room right now is 16 long 12 wide and 8ft high. I have to flip the room around but cant do that for a few weeks, why flip my room, well fronts are on the wall with a door opening so i loose 40 inches of wall instead of the 24 from the side. Also my door isnt really wood or drywall its Plastic and well being dipole panels sound goes back as well as forward and the plastci door reflects the sounds different giving me higher highs then the drywall does. I hung a thin felt blanket over the door to cut the reflection till I redo the room. I am waiting or my rear surrounds, decideing between vigs or fresco i for the 7.1. i have 5.1 set up with vistas front, Motif center, script i rears and depthi sub.
I have only had ML for 3 weeks now, started with sources and the motif and scripti's with depth i and took back the sources went to vistas, How much do i love my Ml, well just bought a set of Summits for my bedroom to sleep with, 2 channel only..lol. Once Ml sound gets you, youll keep upgrading amps and speakers. i started off speakering 4000 on sources and Motif with tax from auth dealer and then another 4500 on amp and pre-amp, used it 10 days and then changed my sources for vistas so my 8500 became 10,500 since I had already had the depth i for 3 months running with me Klipsch. Now i just spent 6000 on anthem p2 amp and 7500 on sources and still need a quality 2 channel pre-amp plus interconnects and wire etc. So in the last 30 days I have spent about 20k on ml speakers and another 20 k to power em. lol i am totally crazy.
you can go poor fast once you fall inlove with the mL sound. Thats 40k in about 30 days and to put it in perspective, i bought this house in sept 2007 for 85k, 3 bedroom 2 full bath.
Remember if you get new ones from a dealer and not demos, your in for a good 100 hour break in period. I had my broken in sources and when my vistas arrived new and sealed in the box, i hooked them up and said why did i spend another 2k to upgrade, they sound bad. Well every minute they play they get tighter and tighter and i smile more and more. Paiteince with Ml speakers is the key.
Hope this helps and doesnt scare you, I am sure other members here will tell you, once your hooked you want better and better and you strive to achieve it. Everything you chnage be it interconnects, speaker wire, room decor, amps, pre-amp, sacd players, dvd player, etc all effect how the ML sound. Have fun and you wont find a speaker out there that you want to spend every minute listening too like ML's. Mine are on 10-14 hours a day and soon to be one in another room about 8 hours a day.
PS: So you know how anal i am about my ML, I actually cover them when I am not running them! I dont cover my Infinitys or my Klipsch and actually dont enjoy listening to either the klipsch or infinitys anymore. Sold my klipsch and now going to sell my 2 seperate sets of infinitys. I have the whole Beta series i just bought 3 months ago max, mabye actually 2 months ago, looking at more martin Logans for that room..lol
Any questions.. call me 870-321-3451 ok so Im crazy for posting it...
