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OK, I got my (used) Vistas -- they are great! They remind me of my Aerius but better.

The imaging is spot on perfect, left right placement of voices and stuff is perfect. But, all the images are completely 'flat' it sounds like all the sounds are on top of each other.

I remember when I first heard my magic Martin Logan experience (with ReQuests) that the sound stage extended farrrrr back with instruments placed some forward, some backwards. I'm just not getting that now.

I never really was able to get my Aerius to do it either.

Any tips?
 
I would venture a guess that it is a combination of room acoustics and speaker placement/alignment. But without pics of your room and your setup, it's a hard thing to diagnose.

Are you sure your listening seat is exactly halfway from both speakers, and are they both the same distance from your back wall? Are both speakers toed-in the same (use the "flashlight method" that others have recommended here--it works WONDERS, and you dont have to use a tape measure and a protractor to make it work!).

Are the speakers leaning at an angle that gives you optimal soud propagation to your rears at listening position? You may need to tilt them a little forward if your seat is low.

Is the back wall acoustically treated? If the back wall is really "dead" (like with a heavy curtain, or acoustical panels, or even rough stucco) it can DRAMATICALLY effect the depth of the soundstage by absorbing those primary back-side reflections.

Also, are your speakers the same distance from the side walls? Controlling primary side-wall reflections and wave reinforment are pretty critical to getting ANY speakers to sound great, but this issue (perhaps more than any other acoustic issue) are pretty much paramount to getting your ML's really "dialed in".

Is the floor carpeted? Thick carpet can really kill the "air" of MLs.

Do you have a large glass-top coffe table in front of the listening position? Such tables can create some really aggregious primary reflections that are REALLY hard to tame.

Is there a large equipment rack or TV between your speakers? That will kill your soundstage "openness" faster than just about anything. Maybe try moving the speakers out into the room a little.

If all else fails, go to EBAY or Audiogon and buy an old Carver C-9 Sonic Hologram Generator, or a Sunfire Preamp with Sonic Holography, and plug it into your tape loop. That will give you a soundtage that is psychadelically three-dimensional. I promise...

But before you try signal processing, and adding weirdo soundfield-proccessing gear to your rig, I'd strongly suggest studying your room's acoustics, and trying to figure out the problem. It does take some time and a fair amount of special knowledge to get MLs to sound really good in some rooms. There are some other folks on this forum who are WAY more expert than me at this sort of thing, and I'm sure they might have much more to offer than I have...

Post pics of your rig on the "Members Systems" thread. That would help a LOT for us to help you sort this out.

Hope this helps.
--Richard
 
Pics would certainly help. My best bet is that it is something to do with placement. You really need to experiment with placement. Especially the distance you are sitting from the speakers. Also, is there anything large or reflective between your speakers? eg. a large TV - try covering or making the centre between the speakers less reflective.

Finally, remember that the ReQuest are a higher model than the Vista / Aerius!
 
"Flat" sounding can also be the result of the speakers not being "in phase" - sometimes it can happen that somewhere on the way from the amp to the speakers one channel gets inverted (wrong wiring etc). To rule that out, invert the connections at just one speaker and listen for differences.
 
You need to pull your speakers out from the wall a bit. What's the wall behind your speakers constructed of?
 

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