In any Onkyo related discussion it seems I'm one of there harshest critics, but Onkyo lovers stiff defense of there newest product in combo with the incredible value offered by there PR-SC885p pre amp have compelled me to give them a shot despite negative prior experiences (I figure most of my problems have been amplification related). Will post results of showdown with my HK AVR745 (which now functions as a pre amp anyway). Loser will be sold (more than likely the AVR).