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  1. rower30

    SOLD my CLX, to me again!

    I've always had the subs, so no change there. The changes were all the front-end stuff.
  2. rower30

    SOLD my CLX, to me again!

    I have two sets of speakers, T+A Solitaire CWT1000-40 Carbon's and the CLX with two BF212 subs (I don't use the subs with the CWT's). I'll swap the speakers in and out on occasion and haven't done the swap in awhile after changing electronics; PA3100HV, SD3100HV, M40 mono and amps the...
  3. rower30

    CLX owners and CLX lovers I need your help deciding what to do with a pair I jreceived.

    WOW, I have a CLX Art walnut pair with stereo BF212 subs and won't ever sell them. I use these and a set of T+A CWT 1000-40 carbons (also hybrid electrostatic). The more expensive T+A speaker shows how good the CLX are for the money. With the subs they are really, really good for the price...
  4. rower30

    Better Speaker Than CLX Art + Stereo BF212, What Might It Be?

    I turned OFF the DSP on my CLX + 2x BF212 subs. My room is 40 feet long so it has low room nodes and allowed the DSP to be OFF. I also turned OFF the factory CLX cross-over point. It seems to have been too low for my taste. The subs were far too THUMP, THUMP as the upper harmonics weren't good...
  5. rower30

    BalancedForce...

    BF212 - do it yourself! --------------------------- I use two BF212 with my CLX. What was interesting is that I set-up the subs with the perfect bass kit initially and grew unhappy with the result. The bass was too disconnected with the mains. It just thudded away all too often. I turned...
  6. rower30

    Better Speaker Than CLX Art + Stereo BF212, What Might It Be?

    The reach down low is fine with the stereo BF212 subs going to less than 20 Hz. I have a 39 foot long room so the room can truly go low. No issues there. The issue is the Pratt needs to extend up into the mid bass. A lot of bass power is not USUALLY located super low in most sources if any super...
  7. rower30

    Better Speaker Than CLX Art + Stereo BF212, What Might It Be?

    That open back is part of what makes the CLX so much more part of the real room. But yes, the side panels are there to limit the bass cancellation. As far as neutrality, systems that have a wider variation across a a large sample of music tend to be more neutral. If you add a house sound those...
  8. rower30

    Better Speaker Than CLX Art + Stereo BF212, What Might It Be?

    The Maggie's get a nice audience, but I'm not a fan of "organic" as the artifact overlays everything you play. I want neutrality such that if it is organic, like Tracy Chapman, it comes through back to the source. I DO NOT want it added for me. The CLX are as near to neutral as they come there...
  9. rower30

    Better Speaker Than CLX Art + Stereo BF212, What Might It Be?

    The Neolith are relatively new so I'm perplexed that they don't use the same DSP built into the BF-212 subs that is excellent. Jumpers on the Neolith for crude dB padding here or there isn't the ticket to bass in most rooms. And, even the new Persona 9H have DSP, yes? Persona 9H Hybrid...
  10. rower30

    Better Speaker Than CLX Art + Stereo BF212, What Might It Be?

    Well, Look at the SIZE, and price with no DSP for the bass. The room holds your bass hostage. I'm not sure why the neolith have no DSP built in. The missing bass link NEEDS DSP. THEN, you also need the proper mid bass propulsion, too. Not saying the Neolith doesn't have that. I would be near...
  11. rower30

    ESLs in now 30 hours - still dynamics & treble a bit missing!

    Do moved them OUT away from the wall behind them. More is better or tricky to get right rear wall (behind the speaker) damping will be needed. I've found SPACE is the best ticket to a good sound from omni type speaker. Don't toe in too much or the sound stage collapses. I use PARALLEL CLX, for...
  12. rower30

    ESLs in now 30 hours - still dynamics & treble a bit missing!

    My CLX took a VERY good while to break-in. New they were OMG weird sounding things. I did not hear the magic at all for awhile, poor imaging and the general balance was not cohesive at all. Now, nothing is better from the mids on up. ELS won't have the SLAM of dynamics, but I can take a little...
  13. rower30

    Better Speaker Than CLX Art + Stereo BF212, What Might It Be?

    This is harder than it seems. I retired in June, and decided to rotate my DynAudio C4 Signatures every other month with my CLX Art. I'd keep the subs in place and just change the X-over to the speaker in use. Here is the rub, I CAN NOT listen to the C4's for a month, as good as they are. Great...
  14. rower30

    Amplifiers for CLX

    I use a SIM AUDIO W-8 and have had zero issues with my CLX Arts.
  15. rower30

    CLX ART - risks of buying used?

    I've had my CLX ART for several years (since 12/2013), and they are the most unfussy speaker ever for electrostatic panels. The sound is simply divine where it really matters, upper bass on up. Yes, I use 2 x BF212 subs but that won't add the dynamic driver SLAM. I find the lack of ultimate (it...
  16. rower30

    CLX set-up / Toe-in (or out).

    Di-pole speakers are much harder to set-up with rear wall radiation as strong as the frontal SPL and assuming measured symmetry matches wave reflection time is the stuff of "ideal" rooms only. So I'm not so sure my tail is any easier caught than yours will be in real rooms. Matching the arrival...
  17. rower30

    CLX set-up / Toe-in (or out).

    Attached (I think) are the BF212 graphs in the "L" shaped basement. I need to experiment with soft backing behind the CLX to see if this helps sharpen the image, too. I'm out from the rear walls pretty good (~63"). But one thing is for sure di-pole speakers are set-up sensitive but well worth it...
  18. rower30

    CLX set-up / Toe-in (or out).

    Rooms, being what they are, measuring symmetry is likely to be getting you more wrong than right all things considered. My room is "L" shaped and the furniture in few rooms is identical along each wall or even rear wall. So measurement any surface is a "general" start. The CLX won't go all...
  19. rower30

    CLX set-up / Toe-in (or out).

    I've had my CLX Art's for about two years, and am still amazed at how good they are at everything except mid bass punch. That feeling as I am coming off of Dyn Audio C4 Signatures that have a LOT of mid bass PUNCH. The stereo Balanced Force 212 subs I've added go a long way to covering up that...
  20. rower30

    Subwoofers question

    If it were me and what I know now, that is a good sub will go into ANY system down the road well, I would look at LEAST at the BF210. Really good "sounding" not boom, bass is extraordinarily rare. The PBK kit gets it there, too. "Boom" is not the same as "deep", either. Deep is simply that...
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